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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2014, 06:42 AM (3,498 Views) | |
| Hearts | Jan 6 2014, 06:42 AM Post #1 |
 
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Is there any proof that the humans are in the millions in battlepower? Except that they went to fight the androids, I dont see that as proof of them being in the millions because at their state, it wouldnt have mattered if they were 100k or 1million or even 10 million. |
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| Ripator | Jan 6 2014, 07:22 AM Post #2 |
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First off i'd like to say there has been a lot of topics like this recently. Second of all, I to do not see any reason to put the human above 1 mil (except mabey krillin). |
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| Hearts | Jan 6 2014, 07:27 AM Post #3 |
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Yeah i know, thats why i put this on hold, but to be fair, im practically asking if the humans ever even got stronger than first form Frieza :P |
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| lunar2 | Jan 6 2014, 08:21 AM Post #4 |
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their is no reason to assume they didn't. uub proves that the human body is capable of handling that level of power. other than that, it's all just patterns. every time we see anyone seriously train post boz , they make multifold yearly increases. the only reason to assume they didn't pass 1,000,000 is to say they for some reason didn't train part of the time, which only makes sense for yamcha. |
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| Gracek90 | Jan 6 2014, 08:22 AM Post #5 |
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They did. At least Kuririn who in Frieza Arc was clearly in the tier of First Form Frieza. Actually for the moment he was third strongest guy in the battle. |
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| AA500 | Jan 6 2014, 08:31 AM Post #6 |
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Gero said that the humans energy might help him catch up to SSJ Vegeta |
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| Hearts | Jan 6 2014, 08:35 AM Post #7 |
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Good enough for me :P |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jan 6 2014, 03:23 PM Post #8 |
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There's evidence to support both sides. I personally think Krillin and Tenshinhan hit the millions. Yamcha, however, did not. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 6 2014, 04:51 PM Post #9 |
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I agree, but Oob's a special case. And there's no proof that Oob was anywhere near kid Boo's strength at the only time that we see him at the manga series. I personally don't believe that he was. However, even if he was only as strong as say Cell era SSj Gohan, Goku would still be able to sense the similarity to Boo's energy coming from Oob. We also see Oob unable to damage Goku when Goku is in base even with a rage boost, and we know that Saiyan's don't increase that much after Super Saiyan is reached (in their base form). BOG suggests that base Saiyans aren't as strong as Freeza, or as I believe, they didn't get that much stronger than Android Arc Super Saiyans. So say if Oob is only as strong as someone like Dr. Gero, Goku would still be able to conclude that he was Boo because he'd be so far ahead of all the other humans at only 10 years old. I also mostly agree with the "muti-fold yearly increases" thing, but they had access to special training conditions during all those times that they seriously increased. Everyone trained at Kami's for the fight against the Saiyans, which we know from Goku's training is indeed a training condition that you can't find on Earth. Although mostly because of the thin air. Krillin had his ki unlocked during the Freeza Arc, which has nothing to do with training, and the other guys were training on Kaiosama's planet in the afterlife for about a year, in Yamcha's case, a little less. Gero had no clue of how strong Vegeta was. To further evidence Gero's lack of understanding of basic ki function, he didn't even know that Piccolo was hiding his ki when he stole it from him. In addition to this, I also believe that Gero had no clue about how concentrating blasts actually increases their power without needing to increase the amount of ki in the blast itself. This is only a theory of mine, but I believe that Vegeta's blast that Gero absorbed was concentrated, therefore Gero didn't end up absorbing even nearly the amount of ki that most people believe he did. |
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| Hurry My Curry | Jan 6 2014, 06:14 PM Post #10 |
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Gero thought that Yamcha was Goku, and with the Androids being built to beat Goku at a SSjin tier, that must mean that Yamcha is approaching where Goku was at on Namek, and the rest of the humans even stronger. |
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| Gracek90 | Jan 6 2014, 06:54 PM Post #11 |
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He thought that Goku would not make any significant gains. For him Goku could be anywhere even at 50 000. |
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| Instant Transmission | Jan 6 2014, 07:04 PM Post #12 |
 
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WOWOWOWOWOW Goku base isnt weaker than frieza. he was So supressed that Raditz could probably K.O him. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 6 2014, 07:05 PM Post #13 |
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That means nothing because Gero knew next to nothing about Zenkai. He might have known that Goku increased after injuries, but it's extremely unlikely that he knew the full capacity of zenkai and how it could literally increase your power by 33x in a single recovery. Even if Yamcha got up to Goku's Namek Era 85,000... it's still nowhere near where Goku was when he fights Freeza. We also need to factor in that only 4 years had passed between the end of the Saiyan arc (The last time that Gero saw Goku) and the time when the Androids arrived. Based on Goku's increases over four/five year periods prior, I don't see any reason for Gero to estimate that Goku was higher than 60,000 at the very most. This is of course factored in with the fact that (according to Gero's logic) Goku didn't have access to special training conditions like he did in the afterlife. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 6 2014, 07:13 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Jan 6 2014, 07:13 PM Post #14 |
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Gero probably wanted to Overkill and be prepared for the chance hed get Stringer. He shouldve followed Gokus Progress in the 2 years and at the last year make somethkng 10x stronger than that. That wouldve kept him alive and away from 17/8 |
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| Hurry My Curry | Jan 6 2014, 07:14 PM Post #15 |
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Gero built the Androids at SSjin level, he is not expecting Goku to be at his saiyan saga level obviouslu. And him mistaking Yamcha for the same Goku he built imposaibly strong Androids for is a clear sign that the humans are really strong. Not to mention he thinks the humans will give him strength to beat Vegeta when Vegeta curbstompes him. |
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